Site Logo

 
It is currently Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:26 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 204 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 21  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:40 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:26 am
Posts: 378
Pyrodogg wrote:
Side (philosophical) question: does a statute making something illegal to sell also make it illegal to make yourself and use?


Totally up to the wording of the law. If you read that one, it specifically forbids "selling or offering for sale"- it says NOTHING about using, making to use, importing for use, etc. There MAY be a law on the books banning that as well, of course.

_________________
Mike H.
My maker blog


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:06 am
Posts: 217
Location: Brooklyn Park, MN (EN35ic)
I think the sale of petro-based compound is banned to keep it out of the landfills. We could make our own compound, but then we'd have to dispose of it properly -- it can't just get chucked into the trash. The PCA actually says you can burn it in an "approved burning device", which is pretty easy (http://www.pca.state.mn.us/publications/w-hw4-32.pdf). Waste-oil forge, anyone?

_________________
73 de KC0DZY


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:06 am
Posts: 1219
Location: NE Minneapolis
waste oil forges don't tend to do well with sawdust.... although there are blast furnaces using powdered fuel, the junk from the floor is NOT going to improve burn quality, and gonna offgas some nasty stuff.

so, unless we wanna come up with a more "natural" product to use ourselves, i think it's gonna be easier and cheaper to buy.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:25 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:14 pm
Posts: 1444
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
metis wrote:
* There is a circular saw blade imbedded in the divider wall. Not sure, but this might have been a "souvenir" of sorts? It's kind of amusing, but then again not so much.

safety lesson on why safegaurds shouldn't be disabled. it came from the damaged compound miter saw on the operation board that needs some assessment, it may have a bad motor mount, bushing, or the blade may just have been bonked while in operation. the blade up there is missing teeth and is unbalanced, so shouldn't be used, but adds a nice "used" look to the shop w/o actually being dangerous.
Ummm, sure, but I'm thinking many won't understand it's a "lesson" and might just think "oh hey, let's chuck some things into the wall, someone else did it."

_________________
612-293-MAKE World Community Grid Team Page | Blog | Promo Flyers | Dues Info
Active Topics | Twitter Page | TCM Photos | View Your Posts | YIM waynoid | AIM wammie777


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:53 am
Posts: 928
Location: Eagan, MN
wammie wrote:
metis wrote:
* There is a circular saw blade imbedded in the divider wall. Not sure, but this might have been a "souvenir" of sorts? It's kind of amusing, but then again not so much.

safety lesson on why safegaurds shouldn't be disabled. it came from the damaged compound miter saw on the operation board that needs some assessment, it may have a bad motor mount, bushing, or the blade may just have been bonked while in operation. the blade up there is missing teeth and is unbalanced, so shouldn't be used, but adds a nice "used" look to the shop w/o actually being dangerous.
Ummm, sure, but I'm thinking many won't understand it's a "lesson" and might just think "oh hey, let's chuck some things into the wall, someone else did it."

This is a fine-line, gray-area type thing, but I agree. It'd be different if somebody mounted it ON the wall, as sort of a trophy, y'know, because hey look, we WORE OUT a carbide-toothed sawblade. Pounding it INTO the wall sends a different kind of message.

Say we had a camera crew come in to do a segment on us for a local TV news bit. How would it look then?

_________________
my workplace blog
my builder blog
my personal blog


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:06 am
Posts: 1219
Location: NE Minneapolis
wearing out a carbide tooth blade is rarely something to be proud of. outside of a professional daily use tool it tends to mean it's been abused, which this particular blade probably was.

it was abused (or the saw failed) in such a manner to seriously damage the safety mechanisms of the saw such that it could have injured someone operating or near the saw when it happened. while it's improbable that the blade could come free and imbed in the wall, carbide chips moving at thousands of feet per second were ejected and that's a bit less obvious to leave stuck in the wall.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:53 am
Posts: 928
Location: Eagan, MN
metis wrote:
wearing out a carbide tooth blade is rarely something to be proud of. outside of a professional daily use tool it tends to mean it's been abused, which this particular blade probably was.

it was abused (or the saw failed) in such a manner to seriously damage the safety mechanisms of the saw such that it could have injured someone operating or near the saw when it happened. while it's improbable that the blade could come free and imbed in the wall, carbide chips moving at thousands of feet per second were ejected and that's a bit less obvious to leave stuck in the wall.

Um, not sure what your point is, here.

TC Maker / Hack Factory isn't "professional", you know, we're all enthusiastic amateurs. We make, we share, we learn. And yes, there's plenty of learning to be done.

My point was, I don't think it looks good to anyone who might not already be "one of us" to walk in and see what appears to be somebody's dangerously reckless temper tantrum. It looks thrown, ninja-star style. I know that's NOT how the sawblade ended up in the wall, but only because I had the gall to ask, and luckily somebody who knew the circumstances happened to be there to answer. (And I believed them.) If it was the property owners, or Kare 11, or somebody from Springboard, or the City of Minneapolis... what kind of impression are we trying to make?

If you want it to stand as a reminder of what not to do, how not to treat a sawblade, then heck, frame it & add a cautionary plaque.

_________________
my workplace blog
my builder blog
my personal blog


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:15 am 
Offline
Global Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:24 pm
Posts: 634
If they want to know they can ask, it makes a good ice breaker.

Let's not be nannies.

_________________
Make it happen.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:58 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:14 pm
Posts: 1444
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
It might be more poignant if we had a bust statue or something and put a saw blade in that, with a cautionary plaque.

_________________
612-293-MAKE World Community Grid Team Page | Blog | Promo Flyers | Dues Info
Active Topics | Twitter Page | TCM Photos | View Your Posts | YIM waynoid | AIM wammie777


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hack Factory Facility Updates and Questions
PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:02 pm 
Offline
Global Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:24 pm
Posts: 634
wammie wrote:
It might be more poignant if we had a bust statue or something and put a saw blade in that, with a cautionary plaque.


Why don't you start a committee to work on that.

Members are allowed to add character to the space, do we need to correct everything?

I think a saw blade sticking in the wall is pretty freakin' poignant, the controversy is part of it. It's a hacker-space, not kindergarten.

_________________
Make it happen.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 204 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 21  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yahoo [Bot] and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Template made by DEVPPL Flash Games