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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:04 am 
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I'm willing to do whatever I can to help with this process.

There are a few caveats, for me anyway, speaking as a member, not a board member.

I want everyone to be heard, and will help with that any way I can.

My personal opinion on the bylaws is, I like them the way they're written.

That having been said, I know others want some changes, or the option for them.

I'll help in that process, but it's up to those folks who want the changes to describe them.

As I said before, if someone else (someone who isn't me) is willing to put together a package of proposed changes or ammendments, I will do all I can to help as a member and board member to get that info out to our member base, and aid in discussion.

I don't feel comfortable helping put together suggested changes that I'm not in favor of.

So, you guys get that copy together, and we'll go from there.

One more thing about my opinion as a member on proxies: I don't want anything that's exclusive, rather inclusive. I know someone said something about "banking proxies". I don't think that's going to happen. The chance of that, however, pales in the face of someone's voice not being heard. For me, anyway.

One more thing. If you look at the bylaws of 10 different non-profits in minnesota, all conforming to the same statute, you'll notice that they all vary from one another as much as ours do.

I say 10, but I should say, the ones I know first hand, i.e. centro legal, officina legal, neighborhood justice center, boys and girls club of saint paul, ywca of cathedral hill, ymca on university. That's 6. (I think those are all non profits..)

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:45 pm 
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Paul,
If we adopt the bylaws as written with the thought of amending them later, we cannot then effect the terms of the sitting board. Mn statute precludes changes of the term of a sitting board member. So if we want less then three year terms that amendment must be adopted before we vote to accept the bylaws.

We could of course recall any director later when we adopt the new amendments. I however think that the recall mechanism injects a level of negativity into the organization that I am at pains to avoid. Indeed part of the reason i so dislike the three year term is jut that fact.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:04 pm 
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I'll bet you a dollar that if the org voted on an ammendment to change the term length of directors, you'd be able to get said directors to agree to voluntarily step down at the end of the new term length.

Just sayin'.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:53 pm 
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@Jude and Riley,

I think the combo of what you two suggested would be good.

I would like to see the 501c3 thing bring the group together not break it apart and I think we can still accomplish that, by passing and then amending.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:08 pm 
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any progress on getting stuff together?

I'd very much like to be able to blast an email to our members before or during our wed. night open house thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:13 pm 
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There was a discussion at the Hack Factory and it appears that if the board decides to act Today June 1st and have a special meting, to address the matter and add the words to the meeting to allow for the vote on amendments at the annual meeting.

If this happens then we can all together decide if we want to have:
(18 month terms for the officers) Yes or No
(officer get elected by the members) Yes or No
These are the main issues that I have heard so far

If this does not happen the by laws will go up for vote as is.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:16 am 
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paul, as i stated this evening, i'll do my best to work with our lawyer to figure out how to get those issues addressed (and we've been talking for the last week about how amendments might or might not work, so this hasn't been put off to the last minute), and it may be possible to do so at the annual meeting, or it may need to be via a special meeting. keep in mind this is a formal process, and we have to do things in the legally appropriate way.

more news as things become clear.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:20 am 
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I advocate:

1) Separation of officers and board members. Too much power in the hands of the board right now, and it's un-excellent.

2) Officers voted in by the general membership to 1-year terms.

3) Board members voted in by the general membership to 2-year terms.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:45 am 
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I'm just going to ask straight out.

JWB, Pete, Judeling, otto_pjm, the vast majority of all the posts concerning the suggested changes in question come from you 4, with a small number of posts from 2 or 3 other people.

Would you 4 be willing to sit down for 10 minutes with a piece of paper in front of you, and collectively sum up the specific changes you'd like to see as possible ammendments?

Right now everything is all over the place and really chaotic, and if y'all compared notes, it could make a big difference.

I'm willing to do my part to help get this message heard, but the message needs some work.

Thanks!

Riley

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the Annual Meeting
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:46 am 
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That would be great! Who's going to be at open hack tonight?

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