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What can you pay monthly for workshop space?
$20 23%  23%  [ 5 ]
$40 36%  36%  [ 8 ]
$60 27%  27%  [ 6 ]
$80 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
$100 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
$120 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 22
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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:27 pm 
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metis wrote:
i.e. right now if we go at each price point we have the following(at time of posting):

$ members income
20 13 260
40 11 440
60 7 420
80 3 240
100 1 100
Dude, the middle column isn't "members", it's the percentage of total votes.

The numbers (which are COMPLETELY ballpark and unscientific) are currently:
$20 x 2 = $40
$40 x 5 = $200
$60 x 4 = $240
$80 x 2 = $160
$100 x 1 = $100
TOTAL: $740 per month.
(out of 14 total responses)

Again, lemme remind folks, this poll is ONLY for estimating what membership fee levels we should set, and is NOT any kind of income forecast. (To do that with any degree of reliability, we'd have to do a professional marketing survey.)

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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
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Currently an underemployed student 2 for 1 !!!

Immediately I'd only able to contribute $20, I've answered to reflect that. As soon as I'm employed (and assuming I'm still in the metro :? ) I could up that a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:23 am 
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Theo wrote:
metis wrote:
i.e. right now if we go at each price point we have the following(at time of posting):

$ members income
20 13 260
40 11 440
60 7 420
80 3 240
100 1 100
Dude, the middle column isn't "members", it's the percentage of total votes.

The numbers (which are COMPLETELY ballpark and unscientific) are currently:
$20 x 2 = $40
$40 x 5 = $200
$60 x 4 = $240
$80 x 2 = $160
$100 x 1 = $100
TOTAL: $740 per month.
(out of 14 total responses)

Again, lemme remind folks, this poll is ONLY for estimating what membership fee levels we should set, and is NOT any kind of income forecast. (To do that with any degree of reliability, we'd have to do a professional marketing survey.)


What I think metis was trying to point out is if we set the bar too high we will lose some members.
(using numbers from the initial post)
If we set the membership at $100 a month we only have one person willing to pay that much.
If we set it at $40, we have 11 willing to pay at least that much.


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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:40 am 
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meat_raffle wrote:
If we set the membership at $100 a month we only have one person willing to pay that much.
If we set it at $40, we have 11 willing to pay at least that much.

Exactly, yes. And more important than the actual count are the percentages of respondents willing/able to pay at those levels.

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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:50 am 
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theo:

the members column in my math reflected that if you were willing to pay 60$ you were would still join at 40$

so while there were only 4 (iirc) votes for 40$ (when i posted) the 60;s 80's and 100 would also have been willing/able to pay 40. so we'd have more than just the 4 votes at 40

with the 17 votes at the moment:
due mem income
20$ 17 340
40$ 14 560
60$ 8 480
80$ 3 240
100$ 1 100

~40$ still seems to be the sweet spot.


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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
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percentages are important, but you need to sum them with higher levels as well.

the actual numbers allow you to extrapolate more visually the pricepoint break and sweet spot where we bring in the most cash, which happens to be almost where we bring in the most bodies (at this point)


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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
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OK, I get what you're trying to say now... but I think we can interpolate & simplify here.

For a sliding scale, the sweet spots are likely $20 (student), $50 (standard), $100 (sustaining). The challenge will be making those numbers meaningful, setting up appropriate incentives for higher rates, and suchlike.

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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
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i guess at this point i'm not seeing the value of sustaining, and from prior meetings the concensus was that we didn't' want tiers of membership...

i think a student discount makes sense, but what do you *get* being sustaining other than a cool title, i.e. we kinda rejected the "founding member" tag. if we're a NFP (even if we're not) folks can always give extra money.


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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:03 am 
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metis wrote:
i guess at this point i'm not seeing the value of sustaining, and from prior meetings the concensus was that we didn't' want tiers of membership...
Not for voting rights, no. This would be more about shop space & such.

metis wrote:
i think a student discount makes sense, but what do you *get* being sustaining other than a cool title, i.e. we kinda rejected the "founding member" tag. if we're a NFP (even if we're not) folks can always give extra money.
I don't like tags or titles either; they sound pompous. But if somebody's willing to pay for that privilege, well, the money will spend just the same.

We'd have to figure out the incentives, like a branded merchandise packet, and/or name engraved & posted on a plaque (again, hokey, but it's recognition & shows gratitude), option to name something in the shop (like one of the PCs or drill presses etc.) I'm sure folks can come up with all kinds of ideas. You get the idea. It's silly, it's gimmicky, but it's fun, and it works.

RELATED EXAMPLE: Trent Reznor & Nine Inch Nails, when they released the 4-disc album "Ghosts I-IV", disc 1 was available free for download. Discs 1 through 4 were available for $5 on Amazon and came with a bunch of extra stuff in a .PDF file (which was what I opted for). For $10, there was a physical 2 CD set with a printed booklet. For $75, there was a "deluxe edition" package, a box set which included a DVD & a Blu-Ray disc of video, plus everything that was available in the lower-priced packages. And then there was a $300 "ultra-deluxe" limited edition package, with everything plus additional merch & band autographs; only 2,500 of these were produced. This super package sold out in 30 hours. $750,000 cha-ching!

Now, I understand that NIN and TCM don't exactly have the same member base yet. ;) But I think we can come up with some incentives that folks would be willing to pay for, don't you? Even on our smaller scale, that extra would be worthwhile and significant for us.

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 Post subject: Re: OK folks, let's get serious about money.
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this could change, it it seemed like with the exception of tools requiring training we wanted everyone to have access to everything?

and again, do we want a privileged logo polo shirt? if you can ONLY get it by paying more then it's a differentiation between members, (look what i did) but if you can get it for 20$ in the shop, why pay an extra 50 for it?

i can see donation plaques on gear, (the metis memorial anvil or some such) or having a gifts roster "benevolent folks, really benevolent folks, folks who gave us a whole lot of money and all they got was their name on this list...., corporate sponsor..."

imho members should be giving gifts not for recognition, but for the good of the group, and making a big deal out of it differentiates between members.


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